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  • Legal
    07-23 12:50 PM

    I hope you are right. But I am not convinced because there was a statement in USCIS testimony that they used up 65% of their target in first 5 months. So even if they used up just 30% in next 5 months, there will be very few Visas left over. If their target did not include the spill overs, then you are right. But in that case, a part of the spill over should also go to EB3. So EB3 should open up again. I am also EB2. So I hope you are right. But as of now, it appears that either there are not many visas left over or it can be that USCIS target was very low.

    that EB3 quota has been used up for this fiscal and will re-open in October only. I assume you're wondering whether some FB spill over would go to EB3. If that's the case they wouldn't have announced EB3 quota is over.

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  • bayarea07
    07-28 10:37 AM
    Good and Fair Thoughts,agree with you.

    I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average monthly income is only $115/year :)

    you people are fighting for two totally different reasons

    (1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.

    (2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).

    how do you advertise your product/site ?????

    when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.

    this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.

    most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??

    to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p

    to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)

    all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.

    again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.

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  • rishimehta
    09-12 05:25 PM
    I worked for the company X for 5 Years . During this period My labor was approved in PERM in EB3 PD 05/15/2006. My I - 140 was alos approved Sep 2006 in EB3. I left the company X & started to work for another technology company Y. In July of 2007, I applied for the I-485 via Company X based on Future employment. I-485 is pending since July 2, 2007. Also applied for EAD & Advance parole which latter got approved. Meanwhile, I have an old labor pending with Company X which got approved with PD of Jan 23, 2003 in EB 2 Category. Company X applied for I-140 based In EB2 PD Jan 2003. This I -140 got approved in May 2008. Company X requested Interfiling with USCIS. Meanwhile I Changed jod & started working for company Z with H1B Transfer.

    Here are my questions:
    Can I revoke AC21 with my new company Z?
    What happens if Company X closes before my I-485 is approved or an RFE is received.
    What should I do to minimize risk in getting Green card. Note that Company X is not in a very Good financial position currently.

    Your response is aapprciated.

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  • nozerd
    05-11 10:21 PM
    A Canadian PR has the right to enter Canada (as opposed to a US PR who does not have the right and can be denied entrance by INS).
    If you have not met 2 in 5 yr obligation Canadian Immigration will question you but let you in. They will give you a date on which you will have a court date with Immigration judge. Then its up to judge and you. You will have to give good reason why you were out ( waiting for US GC is not a good reason ).

    Dont know about the reapplying part. Never heard of anyone having done it.


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  • eager_immi
    07-12 10:20 AM
    I think this all depends on individual application. I got a letter stating "no further documents were needed." I did not submit any TOEFL scores. I just sent them a letter detailing that my husband and I work for Fortune 500 and have been in the US for over 10 years. I also stated that my daily work includes interacting with high level executives, c-suite folks all the time. My work entails writing reports, issuing memorandums etc. My letter from employer also stated that my ability to communicate in English is equivalent to a native speaker. But I know sometimes it does not work it all depends on the individual who is accessing your case. Just one pointer make sure the letter is well written, free of grammatical errors, and you have spent several hours editing and re-editing it. I have seen lots of posts where people have uploaded the letter they sent to the embassy, but the English was very poor.

    They asked me to submit IELTS test results inspite of submitting TOEFL score (108/120) and english proficiency letter.

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  • sandy_77
    08-13 04:26 AM
    I have two main questions. First question is about 221g. I am stuck in India for administrative processing (no reasons given) for the last 6 months. I would like to know if there are any legal ways of getting the process expedited. Second question is about filing I-485 while on 221g. I have an approved I-140 and if my priority date becomes current while i am still stuck under 221g, what are my options for filing I-485? Can I file or not being outside US. Will AOS be possible or do I need to go for CP? Any other options?


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  • eb3retro
    07-26 10:39 PM
    arkbird, I cant help but LOL on your post. Thank you, you made my day. Good response.

    Here is one potential answer...

    Yes, you will retire at 40 because no self-respecting person will come near you let alone hire you so I guess you will have to retire and that $xxxx/per month, please feel free to replace it with disability (of course mental!) benefits from your state! ;)


    I am not with Amway or Quixtar but I think the folks with Amway/Quixtar are under represented on this thread and it's not fair :-)

    Just to add another dimention to this thread I will play the devil's advocate :D

    Here I go ...

    You guys are all wasting your free time bitching on this thread where as we are spending all our free time growing our business. We will retire early as we would make $xxxx/month for nothing when we turn 40 and dont need to work anymore where as all you guys bitching about Amway / Quixtar will still be working hard at your jobs till 60.

    What's your response ?


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  • miguy
    03-20 08:10 AM
    Please see answers in blue below

    You are welcome.

    As much as I see you guys choosing Canada as an option, I also see you misusing that option. If you really want to select Canada as an option then you are better of moving to Windsor and working in Detroit. If you show a canadian address (that means you are living in canada), you should also pay canadian taxes (based on your US income). Just showing a canadian address is no good if you don't pay canadian taxes.


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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 01:18 PM
    My friend willgetgc your last post was so nice and so articulate i cannot believe you would again fall from teh pedestal and comment on something so bad i am sure it repluses your spouses or your parents and i am not sure they would want you to talk like this about anyone

    Now my frined please never iask me what my specific ideas are because you do not beleiev in it and you have no respect for what i might say so why ask

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  • thomachan72
    01-14 08:52 AM
    Is AILA doing anything about it? Do they need IV member support? How do we make it clear to the USCIS and Govt that targetting H1b and the free will of the employer to hire H1b is PURE SOCIALISM and anti-capitalism. It is a sure way of destroying the capitalistic engine that is keeping the US ahead. Is US becoming a restrictive economy like China? China is moving slowly but surely out of its old ways and becoming more and more open to capitalistic policies and we are finding the US slipping slowly but surely into protectionism and more socialistic principles.
    How can you protect jobs here by taking away the job of another person??
    The person was hired in the first place due to a lot of economic reasons that only a capitalist would know/understand. Simply by snatching the job away from one person and attempting to give to another WILL NOT HELP.
    This reactive response to unemployment will destroy whatever industry is left here. Even research is now being outsourced. Biotech/research triangles are springing up in china and India and elsewhere. Major US universities are now collaborating or setting up independent shops in India and china. Ofcourse Japan and europe is not at all behind. Where is the US left now? CRYING CRYING ABOUT H1B VISAS???? IS IMMIGRATION IS REAL CAUSE OF UNEMPLOYMENT HERE???????


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  • gc28262
    05-31 10:17 PM
    WOW... what a logic... what does Indian Govt. has to do with this money when this is taken out of my pay cheque.
    When I take this money back to India I probably would end up paying some taxes on it... not sure what the logic is behind this... (again I do not undertsand the full details behind it).

    I think this is a requirement from US government that countries that need a SSA agreement with US needs to have a Social Security system.

    Asking our SSA and Medicare back is a good strategy which will benefit us one way or other.

    1. We will have an option of claiming our money back if we decide to return.
    2. US gov will be forced to come up with a solution for our eternal wait for GC as US cannot afford to lose so much money from SS and Medicare funds.

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  • bayarea07
    07-22 06:03 PM
    Good One !!!

    While we are all sharing about our Amway solicitation experiences, let me share what I've seen in the last few years.

    Background: In the last 6 years, I've been approached over 2 dozen times in the Bay Area. Things got so bad that the same guys have approached me more than 3 times in some cases before realizing that they've already talked to me before.

    Incident #1:
    A guy approached me while I was at the mall saying "hi" and striking up a conversation. During our short chat, this 20-something desi guy proceeds to tell me that he is the CIO of Fox News. At which time I pull out my iPhone and look him up using my LinkedIn app under the guise of adding him to my network. Turns out he is an engineer at a local company which he covers up by being embarassed and saying "I haven't updated my profile." I joke about how he moved up in his career so quickly - he then makes an excuse and walks away. I never hear from him again. Another reason to love technology!

    Incident #2:
    I get approached while shopping at the local GAP store. Being a veteran of this form of solicitation, I respond by saying that I work for the San Jose Mercury News and that we are doing a story on Multi-Level Marketing schemes. I ask him if he knows anyone who would be willing to chat on the record. This guys says "Nope, don't know anyone" and walks away. I never see him again...

    Incident #3:
    I am at the Nike store and get approached by this guy asking me if I work at Google (I do not). I tell him "Nope" and walk away before he can ask me another question. I have been approached by this same guy 2 more times at other stores (within 6 months) asking me similar questions. The 3rd time, I tell him - "We've spoken before - No, I don't work at Google, No, I'm not from Delhi and No, I'm not interested in what you are selling." He is stunned and walks away with his tail between his legs :)

    Incident #4:
    The local Fry's is a popular hang out for Amway-types. I learned the hard way because I made my first mistakes here. Both guys that struck up a good conversation with me turned out to be Amway types. After the 2nd phone call, I tell them that if they call me again, I will report them to the authorities and Fry's for illegal solicitation and harassment.
    This stops both people in their tracks. I never see them at Fry's again!

    Bottom-line: Hold your ground, use technology and don't be afraid to kick them around a little bit. Saying "No" is golden!


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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 04:06 PM
    now i'm sure that u'r gcperm.... welcome back....
    So i was right GCPerm was kicked out of this forum for being EB3 ................

    Tell me something Ron . In you opinion what would freak out all the guys more and again
    - If I am GCPerm
    - If I am NOT GCPerm

    Let me know which so that i will agree to be the opposite and then hopefully the guys will calm down or not freak out more. A whole day with the guys here on IV and i am feeling like i took care of 20 bawling, crying children for the complete time. I am not sure i can do that for another day.

    Just between you and me I am not GCPerm but shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone anything or it might lead to another round of slugfest.

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  • swo
    07-13 10:46 AM
    I have no doubt there is high literacy in parts of India. I mentioned Canada's literacy rate in response to a poster's reference to "illiterate Canadians". A poster, who ironically, in that same rant struggled to write a well phrased sentence.

    I understand your point, but to me "A good place to live", DOES encompass "a good place to realize your ambitions". It's just a matter of what those ambitions are. Ambitions area not always 100% material. If your ambition is to enjoy a solid income by the ocean in good weather, Toronto cannot offer that. But if it is to create an IT fortune, Cairnes, Australia probably isn't the right place for you. "Good" is different for all of us.

    The indexes mentioned are just a loose measuring stick that compare a bunch of safety, infrastructure, health, lifestyle and opportunity assessments and try to apply some metrics to them. All I'm saying is, there's good and bad everywhere, and Canada, always rates highly.

    Like you however, I'm here because I like it here. Frankly, after Canada, the weather in California is too hard to give up :)

    In the end, as you say, it's all objective.

    I don't know much about Canada, but wanted to point out that the Indian state of Kerala also has one of the top literacy rates in the world. And an excellent healthcare system. (Apparently, the expected lifespan of a Keralite woman is longer than that of women in the developed world. And something like 94-95% of babies in Kerala are hospital delivered.) Also, Kerala pays unemployment benefits to educated-unemployed youth; much like Canada. (See wikipedia or google for sources and citations.) Yet, Kerala is certainly nowhere near the top of the list of desired immigration destinations; in fact, Kerala likely has the largest proportion of natives working outside the state.

    "A good place to live" does not necessarily translate to "a good place to bring your ambitions to life." (E.g., Kerala also has one of the highest suicide rates.) That's my point.

    Anyways, good luck to those who want to move to Canada. IV is all about helping us work on our legal immigration to the US. So I don't think this is the appropriate venue for those who want to go to Canada.


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  • micofrost
    03-27 05:18 PM
    Imaginne this, we get a fast trak citizenship process to Bill Clinton. Anyway, we Indians luv him so much, more than his wife or daughter would to him.

    And he will definitely win, make him the PM. With Obama in US and Bill Clinton from India, we can defintely lobby for our GCs and then India-US, will be new bhai-bhai....

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  • jonty_11
    11-02 10:11 AM
    In 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and, again, in 2000, Canada was ranked No.1 by the United Nations Human Development Index as the best country in the world to live. Unlike the United States and other countries, there is no quota based on either nationality or occupation. The Canadian Government's new immigration plan for the next five years and beyond is to emphasize the admission of a greater number of skilled immigrants with abilities to contribute directly to Canada's economic and social development.
    The rights of Canadian Permanent Residents are almost the same as those of the Canadian citizens except a few, such as right to vote.

    1. After becoming a Permanent Resident you will have the freedom to live and work anywhere in Canada.

    2. You will also have the freedom to work in/with any profession/employer of your choice.

    3. You may purchase/sell any property, own and operate any business anywhere in Canada.

    4. A Permanent Resident becomes eligible for Canadian citizenship after living in Canada for a period of three years of the last four years prior to the date of the application for citizenship.

    5. The best of all, you and your family can enjoy the benefits of free Canadian Healthcare, free primary and secondary education and subsidized post secondary education, security of unemployment insurance, old age pension, child allowance etc.

    Benefits for H1B, F1 or L1 holders:

    1. Unlike US work visa for a specific employer/profession a Canadian immigrant is free to work anywhere with any employer or in any profession in Canada.

    2. Unlike applying for GC in US, you need not to be present in Canada or working in Canada in order to apply for permanent immigration for Canada.

    3. It might take you years to get a Green Card in US, whereas you along with your spouse & dependent children can get Canadian immigration within a period of 12 to 16 months.

    4. May opt to stay outside Canada for a period of 3 years in any given period of 5 years and still maintain his/her permanent residence status.

    ***The pass marks for federal immigration under the skilled worker category was lowered to 67 from 75 points. This is the best time to apply for immigration to Canada as this points criteria might change again any time which may render you ineligible for this opportunity.

    Many fallacies in your list.

    You are comparing Canadian PR with H1B. If you have US GC, you can do everything that you can do in Canada on PR.

    You do not have to be in US to file Family based or EB GC/ EB GC is for future employment ideally, and you have tojoinonly after your I-485 is approved.

    Oh just realized is another shameless advertisement..PLEASE REMOVE THIS..

    BTW folks Canada immigration process is self DOABLE..and you do not need immi lawyers like ROOT **** law grp to do that for you


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  • alterego
    12-14 01:33 PM
    Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
    Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
    Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.

    This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.

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  • perm2gc
    08-03 04:19 PM
    The Labour substitution is good option for few but not many. The process should be totally elimindate so that FIFO people will have a fair chance.Their only few people who really are need of it but 99% are fraudant people.

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  • Legal
    07-21 05:34 PM
    Sorry, silly question. Does this mean that these 32k visas are available to the EB2 I/C folks in Aug/Sep?

    Nothing can be silly when it comes to interpreting USCIS rules and regulations.

    Unused numbers should be used before Sep 30th. There is no mechanism for overflow of numbers to next year.

    06-16 03:41 PM
    Nice well thought out arguments. This is the essence of a healthy debate.

    Dilip -

    Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?

    I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.

    For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!.

    You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.

    Employers will be restricted in applying for GC for very qualified employees only in the period of recession. This happened with companies like CSCO etc in2001. wherein many of my friends left the company because cisco was barred from applying for GC after mass layoffs. But then after a year or so they started applying again. If you are referring to such scenarios, I would recommend patience because the immigrant per se is extremely well talented.

    I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.

    In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
    Have a good day!

    Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.

    As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.

    I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is cosummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
    What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.

    Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.

    I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.

    I agree with you on the above points. You are doing the right thing in not blaming others for the downtrend in salaries. However, you are fundamentally assuming that you would have enough time to upgrade and adapt. What if that assumption falls apart ? What if outsourcign companies hit your employer with people with your skillsets at abysmal prices through fraud ? Today many companies do not look into the long term but make short term decisions. They may prefer the loss in quality for the "immediate" cost savings. It may take time for them to realize their follies. In trading, they say that a trader needs to have enough juice to survive the market irrationality. In a similar vein, if you have the wherewithal to survive the employer's short term irrational decisions, then more power to you.

    Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.

    That is exactly the reason I am here. I want to encourage the truly deserving. I dont know who the truly deserving are on this board. But they know themselves. My encouragement is for them is to ensure that they dont get bogged psychologically despite being immensely talented.


    03-26 06:47 PM
    And does this mean that this law will definitely change, or is it still possible that vested interests may still keep substition alive?
    It's not done till it done.

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